The VP Debate - a Tie - but more complex

[RNhunter]

CNN polls this morning on the Drudge report gave a 48% tie to both Biden and Ryan.  But then it gets complex.

A Frank Luntz group on Hannity last night said none would change their vote based on the debate.  That goes back to the VP debate can be irrelevant.

But I say that it was the Paul Ryan debut and he could not win, since maybe no one wins VP debates, but Ryan could have lost.  The question was ... would Ryan look good enough to be a real VP candidate?  I say it was a Ryan test and he passed.  The Frank Luntz focus group of 30? or so voters said that either guy - Biden or Ryan - could be VP.  So I say, Ryan passed the test.  If Ryan instead had said "gaglurk, gaglurk, any of you dudes play Angry Birds?" - well then Ryan would not have passed his test.

And of course there is the aside that since Biden acted like a jerk and smiled, smirked and laughed at Ryan and even seemed to be smiling or laughing about the idea of Iran getting the nuke - well many say they were offended.  Commentator Bernie Goldberg this morning said if Biden smirked one more time, Bernie was going to jump into his TV screen and slap him.  I can see that.

As for my opinion?  Not sure it matters.  Biden seems to be still lying about Libya.  Neither person did a basketball dunk on the economy - since I think the real answer is not tax the rich (Democrats) or Obama spends too much (Republicans) but that part of the US economy has been destroyed and fewer companies and workers are paying taxes.  That is what I see from US financial data.  However, Ryan's answer of cutting spending and also helping the economy is at least a help whereas the Democrats idea of increasing regulations and taxes on the job creators will just damage the US further - and to a point where it would not recover.  So I give the win to Ryan.  But that is ... just me.

[JeansBrother]

I agree with you, RN. I favor a change in direction to restore the economy instead of pursuing the same old failed policies of the last four years (six if you include the Democrat Congress during Bush's last two years in office).

[RNhunter]

You are a wise person there JB noting that the Democratic Congress was in full effect during the 2008 meltdown.  Almost no one else ever mentions that - including the Republican candidates.  Maybe you should tell them? To make it worse of course Chris Dodd and Barney Frank were in charge of Fannie and Freddie and the banks.  From my old industry days, if I were the president, regardless of party, I would have called Dodd and Frank (Democrats) into my office shut the door, and asked them bluntly:  "What the **$$@@ were you thinking?".  But of course Obama rewards them - and Fannie and Freddie.  As toto says, I do not think we are in Kansas any more.  :)

[JeansBrother]

That may be his way of being seen as "assertive" which Romney used to his great advantage.  Biden doesn't know how to pull it off without seeming petty and rude.

[Jerseygal]

JB, Romney WAS assertive, even though the media kept saying aggressive.  Biden was aggressive, not assertive.  We can debate the difference, but in plain-speaking language it is simply that assertive means stating one's position with confidence, while aggressive indicates a much more negative approach, as in being nasty, being rude, being a ... bully...

[JeansBrother]

Agree!

[MR2]

My favorite post-debate commentary was from Peggy Noonan of the Wall Street Journal (HERE)

Quote:

National Democrats keep confusing strength with aggression and command with sarcasm. Even the latter didn't work for Mr. Biden. The things he said had the rhythm and smirk of sarcasm without the cutting substance

[RNhunter]

Good info there Mr. 2.  Yeah, JG also implies above that these clowns do not know the difference between assertive, aggressive, rude, and a hostile terrorist.

[Jerseygal]

;)

[Jerseygal]

I agree, RN!  Biden behaved like the bully that he is!!!!

[RNhunter]

I actually never knew he was a bully before.  Not a very effective one either.  A bully would be frightening.  He was more like ... someone who needed a handout or something.  But of course that just makes it worse.  A bully who has no good abilities to be a bully would just make a spectacle of themselves.

[D.A.]

Last evening Crazy Joe portrayed what the Democrat Party is today!  Arrogant, self-serving, pompous, group of elitists who are only interested in their power.

Even if I liked Obozo (yeah right), the very thought that Crazy Joe is only one heart beat away from the Oval Office would scare the crap out of me.

 

[MR2]

...I was talking to an "Obama / Biden" supporter just today whom I had spoken to prior to the debate. Prior to the debate, they were Obama / Biden. They are now Romney / Ryan. Why? Because after Biden's performance "there is no way in hell I want someone like that in the whitehouse if something happened to POTUS". I found this significant.